Do you want to test one of the curved 34 inch models currently available??? If I send you one via Amazon I trust you can return it before the return window is up?
I’m sure someone who owns one or buys one will eventually show up and might be interested in doing some testing.
TBH it seems like it should be someone experienced who knows what they’re looking at though.
Discerning eyes and also the energy and motivation are integral and hard to find all in one person.
I understand what you’re saying but we must still have faith in community and collective action. It is what has brought us to this point and might be our greatest strength.
I’ve learned quite a bit from my readings of these forums.
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Hello there, fellow enthusiasts.
What’s your opinion on the Samsung R95H TV? I’m still looking for a great TV for emulation and this one seems close to what I want, but there may be something I have overlooked.
What do you guys think? @Cyber specially 
EDIT: Dang, I thought it was an RGB panel, but in this video, at 2:38 you can see clearly that it’s BGR. We’ll keep on searching, then…
At that price point I’d strongly recommend getting the S95H and accepting its negligible imperfections.
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It’s not in the list for a reason. Right now, the best miniLED TVs come from TCL and Sony. The thing with miniLED is that the Backlight Dimming algorithm needs to be very responsive and you really need a high number of dimming zones. In the past, Samsung, LG and Panasonic have struggled with that and scored low when it came to number of zones and backlight latency.
Then the technology isn’t subpixel level. It isn’t even per pixel level and we’re addressing down to the subpixel here. So it would either introduce cross-talk between subpixels or have to run in white/blue/single colour emulation mode, most if not all the time, which defeats the purpose of having independent R-G-B Backlight control.
So no.
Don’t get an S95H either for this. This isn’t the best TVs for watching movies thread. In the lineup you’ll see that only vertical striped subpixel arrangements are recommended.
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Thanks for your reply, as usual. If only a 65’’ TCL X11L existed…
On this subject, is a BGR subpixel layout that much of a problem when it comes to perfect CRT emulation or can it be solved with a correct shader configuration?
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Virtually ALL of TCL’s upper-mid range to high end lineup from 2025 and beyond use R-G-B subpixel layout.
If you need to go 65" then why not the 65" QM8L or Q8MK or Q9MK?
Other than that, Go for MLA or Tandem RGB WOLED.
Or RM9L 65"? Hopefully you will be able to manually switch the TV to blue or white backlight mode like on the latest Sony if the R-G-B mode isn’t working out.
As for the RGB vs BGR debate. It all boils down to how pedantic of a user you are. There are always going to be compromises with these things. You just have to choose yours.
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I live in Europe, so the best we have around here is the TCL C8L 
I’ll probably choose that one, although I’m reading mixed opinions on its motion clarity. I’ll read and check some videos on that issue to see if it’s really that significant.
Thanks again for your replies!
Real.
LCD’s will always have worse motion clarity than OLED’s. You guys are lucky since you have the S95H with no metallic bezel. I don’t know what the overall aim is @yepes , do you want an everything TV? Or just a CRT Emulation TV? There’s a player who has an S95F who says CRT Shaders look amazing on it.
But he has yet to post any pictures.
Samsung knocked it out of the park this year with the S95H as it won all three TV shootouts. (US/UK/Germany) Definitely the issue is about the subpixels, I could try to go to a Best Buy and take pictures of a test setup using my laptop.
Do you have a specific shader preset you use that you could toss me? Specific game / spot you’d like a picture of?
That doesn’t mean the competition is bad or not great at the content that was tested, but the competition might just well be MUCH better for these purposes. So judge a TV by your particular use case.
On mainstream content these TVs on the whole are a lot closer than these shootouts and reviews imply, including the motion clarity difference between the best LCD’s and OLED’s, but that one is highly subjective depending on the sensitivity of the user. Of course the numbers aren’t subjective.
I’m saying this as a user who switched from OLED to miniLED LCD not by choice though.
To put it simply there are some things I miss about my OLED, sometimes but there are many things that my OLED couldn’t do or achieve that I now enjoy using this setup. I never miss my OLED when I’m watching movies or playing games once there is ANY light in the room. The only time I miss my OLED is when the room is completely dark and I’m walking around the room with sound or attract mode on and I move to the extreme side of the screen or just look at the screen in general and there isn’t that feeling of awe at the image just floating in the air in that pitch black ether and the colours remaining perfectly saturated from any angle in the room and zero blooming to break the immersion…but then ABL kicks in and dims my image more and more and after enjoying HDR scanlines for so long and testing these things for not only myself but for folks like yourself, I can now see permanent scanlines when I’m watching movies in a perfect 4:3 window in the center of my expensive OLED screen.
I can go on and on and on about the disadvantages of using OLED displays for this but I hope you get the point.
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I mean I feel like the shootouts imply how close the sets truly are, hence why I got a Z95B instead of a Bravia 8 II, but I digress. It is easy to get the impression otherwise.
Motion is a complicated issue. LCD’s will give better motion for film by giving less stutter, but worse for games with its inherent blur. To be clear, LCD is fine for gaming, but it’s a stark difference and 120hz adaptive strobe is even better on an Organic LED.
I’m kind of a heavy user having logged 7,386 hours on my Z95B the last year. Tons of that is in HDR working on or enjoying my own CRT presets. I believe I’ve read (but correct my old mind if it’s wrong), that your OLED was an early generation model that could not get very bright. Had aggressive ABL’s etc.
I don’t have those issues. I don’t have burn in (or image retention) despite how much I push this thing, and I have brightness for days. Eye searing if I want it x.x, the bright room argument is for models of the past. I don’t have an ABL that kicks in while I’m playing Mike Tyson’s Punch Out, Resident Evil 2, Link To The Past, RoboCop Vs. The Terminator, etc. or watching film.
Now, if Yepes wants a picture of the S95H, which is brighter, more accurate, larger color volume etc. - I’ll make an effort this weekend. If not, I’ll probably take my time. But I am indeed interested since that S95F user popped up and I’ve spent so much time the last year steeped in these shaders.
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Note, don’t misunderstand what I said about any light in the room as advocating that miniLEDs are better for brightet rooms. Rather, I was simply saying that once there is any light in the room, there is no blooming and the completely dark ether I described fails to exist and be a sorry spot for me.
The argument against Samsung is really being against current QDOLED TV tech on the whole. Is is not compatible or commensurate with accurate subpixel level CRT Shader rendering. We have the empiricals to prove it. The individual preference or subjectivity or padentism could be applied there as well.
miniLED came up because the owner mentioned the X11L.
You mentioned the S95H, which despite being the winner of the TV shootout, still was not StopTheFomo’s TV of the year mind you. I know some new Samsung models use 4 stack Tandem RGB as well but when you have a user who is now going to purchase, for the first time and they come to the thread which lists the best TVs for CRT Emulation then vertical striped, subpixel arrangement is a fundamental tenet in my opinion as well as the opinion of the originator of this thread.
It’s not as if the user is going to miss out or lose out by going with a model that does use a vertically striped subpixel arrangement except on paper in any other area in any discernible manner except in a blind test shootout with highly calibrated sets judged by people who probably never played a video game in their life (year I know that’s a stress but you get my point).
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As I said in my first post, this is indeed the primary issue. And not to call it all into doubt how overblown it may or may not be, some pictures highlighting why it’s bad/wrong or not really worthy of complaint would be appropriate. One S95F owner calls the issue into contention, and personally, as someone distinctly bothered by text fringing, I think I get why it’s an issue for CRT Shaders. But what I’ve seen with subpixel layouts on my Tandem WOLED, leads me to think this S95F owner isn’t just puffing his chest out for us.
So if it can improve someone’s life, I’d like to help in the ways I can. : )
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Well that’s all well and good for them. This is not the thread for that. For me subpixel rendering is life and that’s the target audience here.
If I had one, I’d take pictures of course but you should know that it isn’t always so straightforward to get the required quality pictures from the people who actually possess the equipment that we might want such pictures of.
With that said, there are pictures and anecdotes scattered across these forums from users who have had both satisfactory as well as unsatisfactory results, however if we dig into the theory and understanding of how subpixel level CRT shaders attempt to represent and mimic a CRT’s phosphors and Masks, even a theoretical dive should be sufficient to see why it is a less than optimal scenario.
Just think about it.
You can get the more empirical as well as supporting anecdotal info from both my thread from users who posted there and also the Sony Megatron Colour Video Monitor thread.
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First of all, I’d like to apologize if something I’ve said has been the beginning of this recent discussion. English is no my main language and my choice of words may not have been the best.
About what I want the TV for, 100% emulation. I have another TV for general uses. Which shaders? Anything that looks close to what CRTs looked like, and I’d like to use BFI or beam simulator shaders, at 4K 120 fps (I’ll have a strong PC for that). I’m not specially picky, but nowadays I have the money and the space to spend on this and I’d love to get the best I can get.
If you have any further doubts, let me know!
And thanks for you insightful replies, too!
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You did and said nothing wrong and @PU786 and myself were simply having a healthy discussion with each of us putting forward our points and sometimes challenging one another but with utmost respect and no malice whatsoever.
This is what fuels discovery and learning and is what forums like these are made for.
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Seeing that you want a 65" and a 75" is too large, that riles out the TCL X11L.
For the best overall experience with some caveats and compromises, I’d say maybe the LG MLA or 4 Stack Tandem RGB models or models which use similar technology from other brands.
However, for the ultimate experience once you’re not in a pitch black room, nothing should beat an X11L, RM9L (provided it’s switched to white/blue Backlight mode), QM8L, QM8K. They all have the brute force Brightness to support high density, high opacity Masks and Scanlines, while using BFI which is what is required for accurate as possible CRT simulation / emulation.
They also have R-G-B subpixel layout, which matches a CRT’s Phosphor layout. The MLA OLEDs Do not have RGB subpixel layout and with the 4 Stack Tandem RGB displays the first subpixel is not the Red subpixel. Also with WOLED technology, there’s an unorthodox gap between where the white subpixel lies. This leads to some TVL and Mask combinations looking a little distorted, with uneven spacing between the coloured stripes especially when compared to what’s possible on an R-G-B or B-G-R subpixel layout LCD.
R-G-B / B-G-R vertical striped subpixel layout LCD can render all combinations of Mask, Scanlines and TVL as intended.
I have yet to get CRT Beam Simulator working and looking properly on my TV - a TCL QM751G, however the TV has built-in hardware Strobing/LED Backlight, which for all intents and purposes should be just as good if not better than CRT-Beam Simulator.
A very good alternative to that which auto compensates for the Brightness loss is Adaptive-Strobe-Koko! That’s what I’m using these days because my TV hasn’t the brightness headroom when I run the TV’s built-in hardware BFI.
One good thing about the hardware BFI is that it can be used even at 60Hz refresh rate.
Personally I’m hoping for IJP OLED’s to land in 2028 and solve all our problems.