This guy has an inspiring story:
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I think W-OLED subpixels are fine though.
Also remember you can turn either the Q90C or the C3 upside down and have an RGB subpixel order.
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Does it have issues rendering fonts properly, though? Thatâs my main concern, using it as a PC monitor.
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I donât have any issues where any of these are concerned but this is one of those things that are highly subjective. So you would have to know how sensitive you are or how important that is to you.
But you can flip the TV upside down to make it RGB though. Even recommended by RTINGS as an actual workaround for that particular situation.
The next thing I was going to look for was an RGB alternative to the Samsung Q90C.
LG has some IPS screens with local dimming. I doubt they would be spectacular in that department though and many of their IPS LED panels can come with DSE.
In practice something like that might be awesome for this use case but Iâm not sure youâll get one in the size youâre looking for.
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Come to think of it, seems like simply upscaling text to 125% or something could solve the text issue when web browsing and text editing etc.
Kinda hilarious, but if it worksâŚ
So basically it mostly comes down to the Q90C being maybe twice as bright as the C3 when using BFI, but the C3 having superior image quality overall.
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Itâs a bit troubling that LG has removed BFI from itâs next generation of OLEDs, suggesting that it didnât work as well as intended?
I can already tell by looking at the numbers that the C3 will not have the headroom to use scanlines and masks with BFI enabled. Sustained SDR brightness is 214 cd/m2. So basically you have to run it at max brightness with BFI enabled to leave you with 112 nits. I suspect that will reduce the lifespan a bit, but it does come with a 10 year warranty. It doesnât have the headroom for BFI + Scanlines, though.
So now Iâm strongly leaning toward the Q90C even though it feels like a stop gap until better tech is more widely available. Iâm guessing in 2-3 years glossy quantum oled in a variety of sizes will be affordable.
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Windows defaults to 300% on a 4K display.
I think itâll be a good stopgap. Now that you have something shortlisted, you can probably go and do some more research to see if thereâs some obscure model TV ot monitor out there that checks even more boxes than the Samsung Q90C.
When you get fedup looking, just take the plunge and enjoy!
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comparing the specs on these:
43"
dimming zones: 720
max brightness (HDR 100% window): 683 nits
120Hz max
$999
32"
dimming zones: 1152
max brightness: 1000 nits
160Hz max
$999
More dimming zones, more nits, smaller size, same price. Is it worth it? Iâm leaning toward no.
This one, though:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BCK1K44F/ref=ewc_pr_img_2?smid=A2SHWIYMNRTTNZ&th=1
Tops out at 144Hz but basically the same thing as the KTC for $720. At that price, itâs a more difficult choice. The extra brightness would allow for BFI+Scanlines+Aperture Grille(100%) while maintaining at least 100 nits brightness, or full strength slot masks without the use of BFI. With the Q90C, some form of brightness mitigation with shaders would be necessary when using BFI.
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QD-OLED will save us, praise god. I think weâll finally have decent monitors in 2024; hopefully weâll get some sweet black friday deals but it may be 2025 before the QD-OLED monitors are really affordable.
EDIT: matte coating on the LGs is confirmed 
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For me, Iâd read lots of reviews. There are folks saying lots of good things about these on Reddit.
If it was considerably cheaper than the Samsung, plus good reviews and much better specs, Iâd probably go for it but itâs good to get some independent reviews from reputable sources first.
Also, you might be lucky enough to get an RGB Subpixel layout.
Also ask the question, do you want to be able to easily go vertical one-time?
If youâre unsure about trusting the brand/product you can probably invest in one of those 3rd party warranties.
If the smaller or larger size is more preferable than the other then that makes it easier as well.
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This is a major question for me atm. As cool as the idea of a single very large monitor is, there are certain benefits of a dual display setup that a single large display doesnât offer. I could just replace one of my current 27" with the 32" and I wouldnât be losing anything, although it might look a bit awkward. Canât do the same with the 43" due to space constraints. So this is tipping the scales toward the 32" Innocen a bit more. And with any luck theyâll be coming down in price even more, and I can just acquire a second one at some point while I wait for affordable QD-OLED.
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The KTC (Which I bought at a great discount during Black Friday) has twice as many dimming zones.
The dimming isnât good for anything Retroarch related (I have it off by default) but is awesome in HDR AAA games.
If it matters, the KTC does not have speakers and the INNOCN does.
TBH, the biggest reason I chose the KTC is because itâs black and matches the rest of my setup. 
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That is good to know. So now Iâm leaning toward the KTC, because those dimming zones are pretty essential.
Have you tried it with the Megatron shader? Just curious.
There appears to have been a mini LED breakthrough because we supposedly have 5000+ dimming zone mini LEDs coming out next year for less than $900 (27").
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Yes. While not as good as an OLED it does look very nice. Night and day compared to the HDR10 it replaced.
Since it doesnât have per-pixel dimming like an OLED, the dimming doesnât look good with shaders, but the 1000 nits is awesome.
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Have you tried Megatron on OLED? I was assuming it wouldnât have the nits for it.
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I have not, but I thought that OLEDs had higher nits than 1000. Apparently I am mistaken.
OLEDs are better at HDR not because of nits, but because of black levels. 
There have been a lot of reports that Megatron works really well on OLED.
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Best OLED TV HDR Game Mode Brightness Compared
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Yeah it has enough nits for limited HDR but not for the HDR1000 spec, and itâs only for small areas of the screen, which works fine most of the time for movies and modern games, but the sustained full screen brightness is actually worse than old LCD.
I think Megatron can work well on OLED without the use of BFI but I donât think will be bright enough with BFI+Megatron.
I would still recommend OLED for modern games and movies but for Megatron we just need the sheer brightness that is only found on the HDR1000+ displays (unless youâre willing to forego motion clarity for the sake of brightness).
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Ignorance is bliss when it comes to things like this.
Makes me not feel like ever touching a CRT again, lest I make myself sensitized to what I might be missing out on.
For me on my lowly 60Hz (native) OLED TV with around 660nits typical, motion and brightness is all joy!
Also note that the Sony Megatron Color Video Monitor documentation lists around ~600 nits as the amount of brightness needed to really enjoy it with ~1,000 nits providing more headroom for en even better experience.
Looks like the RetroTink 4K folks are jumping on the HDR CRT âfilterâ + OLED TV bandwagon!
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/s/3wx8IQu8HT
The TV used in this example is a Samsung S90C. So you can pickup some anecdotal feedback by reading the comments.