Could you possibly use ra reshade LUT as reference?
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I updated the post with new synced images. Added RA reshade port and that one looks correct, so I will implement that one over to grade. Thanks for the note!
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Np, I just saw you saying that Reshades LUT implementation was more accurate and knew RA had a ReShade LUT port so figured I’d suggest it.
Have a good weekend!
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Just to add, it’s not a matter of like more or not. I’m comparing its behavior with color managed software, and only the Reshade port shader matches those.
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Yeah, it was poorly worded on my end, just woke up lol.
Fixed it, lol.
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No prob. Now this is rock solid so @rafan, or whoever can now get the output of the HALD CLUT from DisplayCAL and use it within grade without any issues or awkward matrix transforms.
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I added Rec.709 space out option to grade and reworked generally the gamma pipeline. I think this is more faithful to how a CRT should behave. I would like some feedback if this works fine for you.
I don’t recommend switching to Rec.709 space if your calibration gamma is not flat out 2.40 gamma from start (at least from x = 10) to finish, eg, not my case:
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I’ll check it out when I wake back up, gamma rework for all spaces right?
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Yes, I’m honoring more the analogue gamma, so the gamma delta is against itself and not the display gamma. Then you go from linear to display gamma of your type.
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I revised the rolled_gain code and it was clipping some. So I remade it entirely and now it works fine, shorter, and better overall.
I also observed that the default D65 temperature is slightly blue, so it was by default making the image cooler. Now it defaults to D55 which is more or less more neutral to source.
By the way, I reverted the gamma pipeline rework, it’s better to compare to linear and not to SMPTE-C as I found out by some tests. Also since it’s content based, linear transform is sRGB based, not EOTF based.
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Wow, lots of changes since I last dropped by! I didn’t get any clipping when using NTSC-J settings with a white point of 6505K with the old version, but I’m getting some clipping with the recent changes. Is this expected?
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That’s unexpected, actually it should be otherwise. Could you test without the scanlines (only grade)?
I didn’t do any changes to the phosphors gamut but it might behave differently due to the fixed rolled_gain. I will test tomorrow.
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This is with your settings.
If you mean the blue bar, that’s the effect of adding blue (D65) to something already blue -> out of gamut and clipping away values. Something smarter like perceptual intent or CIECAM should be desired but I’m still studying that.
One option is to reduce Hue vs SAT Blue to -0.17.
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Thanks for checking that.
Another option, I found, is to lower white-blue a bit.
Everything looks great, otherwise 
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@Nesguy did you check with the latest shader from Dogway’s repo , or the one from the buildbot / libretro git? His repo is the one up-to-date with the latest changes.
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I find this very interesting, do you have an idea what blue primary CIE coordinate would mitigate this?
Would a monitor which supports Rec.2020 solve this? *** Or would a monitor that’s capable by it’s native gamut to reach more saturated blue by a little already be enough? If so what coordinate should we try to get a reliable calibration for?
*** I’m seeing on the Rec.2020 wiki that it has the wider gamut on blue.
The other “regular” gamuts (sRGB, DCI, Rec.709) seem to have the same blue value, even if in the case of DCI they’re advertised as wide gamut… hmmm… which apparently is not true for blue and/or sufficient for “CRT blue”? 
I was just using the “update shaders” option in Retroarch. I’ll check out the latest version on Github.
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Yeah Nesguy is familiar with his GitHub lol.
Help is always appreciated though.
I really need to test this out but the lazy is real right now. House is too hot.
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The problem with White-Blue is that it is generalized, it will lower blue everywhere that is not a primary. HUE vs SAT blue is more akin to CIECAM behaviour.
I’m trying to settle down all my updates before I push a PR to RA repo. So far I’m happy with my latest updates but if you have any issues let me know so I can have a look before doing so.
@rafan, I recall mentioning this, but almost all gamuts are anchored at blue primary. Rec.2020 is a virtual gamut in the sense no display can show 100% Rec.2020. The best course of action here is a smart gamut mapping. I think I got it, but haven’t tested enough the last days.
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