New sonkun crt guest advanced hd presets thread

ynnad4 · 2 September 2024 15:57

you’re the hero on here bud

I just have a very modest camera to record, but this is some proof of what I say, with NES Kirby’s Adventure.

Even on a 1920x1080 flat screen, there’re plenty of Screen artifacts with RF cable, even to this day.

Not sure how much can you see. I wish could get you here to see them There’re rainbow lines, but they’re all over the screen and with different angles. It’s different than Genesis games, that’s for sure.

But its what I try to say that RF BAD looking is on a next level compared to Composite video. Yet, a bit surprised how very little content is about RF on the forum

There’re 3 videos in there as a proof:

sonkun · 2 September 2024 16:07

See look at that I was even around in that thread back then too lol. But yes I saw the videos. I’ll try some things out later though, let’s wait on guest.r first in the meantime.

JosepMC · 2 September 2024 21:50

Great update as always, sonkun. The 1440p presets look really nice on my computer.

Unfortunately, I’m here to report about the Xbox again . The colors now look hosed up on Series S through D3D11

However, by playing around with the settings, I found out that the issue seems related to Phosphor/Diplay Color Space. Setting Diplay Color Space from -1/709 to 0/sRGB fixes the corrupted colors, but also makes the colors slightly darker, so it’s not quite the ideal fix. Any ideas of what could be causing this?

By the way, do you have any recommended settings combination for playing Dreamcast? Or plans to make a VGA preset for systems like it? I’m currently using Aperture Grille + S-Video with Flycast set to TV Composite, but I’m wondering if there’s anything better for it.

sonkun · 3 September 2024 14:07

You’re the one that messaged me on reddit about this same issue lol? If so I was trying to ask you if the Xbox had some display/Video setting that would let you change the color space or something of the sort. I honestly don’t know what’s causing that craziness and I don’t play on Xbox at all. I would like to know though as I have a feeling other xbox users might be coming here to ask this very same question.

Switching to Srgb seems to be a “fix” but it indeed darkens the colors especially on dark background games so it’s not really a fix, that’s the reason why I switched to rec 709 in the first place plus my setup uses that color space as well.

For Dreamcast I just use composite or rgb. I thought about using that “doublelined” setting in the interlaced settings (forgot the exact name of it but it turns 480i content into 240p which gives a game like MVC2 scanlines), only reason I didn’t is because it makes some 240p content look funky where the scanlines look weird on some games. It’s been a while since I used that setting though.

@guest.r do you have an idea on what could be causing that? Then again this could be some issue with the grade shader just like that black screen contrast issue from before.

guest.r · 3 September 2024 16:42

It’s reproducible with d3d11 drivers on Windows machines. There must be some lines of code which don’t get properly translated to D3D HLSL, as OGL/Vulkan GLSL and D3D HLSL have their own sets of oddities.

It’s known that HLSL and GLSL handle matrices differently, most probably it something related to these.

sonkun · 3 September 2024 17:41

Oh wow Windows as well? If @JosepMC is the same person that messaged me on Reddit he also said that the colors displayed correctly using my old preset pack from March using that same driver.

JosepMC · 3 September 2024 21:11

I’m not whoever messaged you on Reddit, I can also confirm your presets from March didn’t display this behavior. If it can’t be resolved on D3D11, then so be it; I can always stick with the presets from March for that. I’m merely reporting the issue in hopes that it can be addressed. I like using the Xbox as an emulation machine; using your presets from far away from the TV and while lying in bed makes for a pretty comfy gaming experience.

Thanks for the tips about Dreamcast. I think I’ll stick to S-Video for the time being, as a solid compromise between the sharpness of RGB and the blending of composite.

yuzqailo · 4 September 2024 04:17

The blue on mega man and the blue on sonic look almost perfect to what they look in their modern games today. However, mega man in the nes picture doesn’t look the same as the mvc picture. Even though the teal looks brighter, and the blue looks darker I suppose you can call this Nes nuances.

What is the color palette that you are using for the nes?

sonkun · 4 September 2024 22:57

Since that wasn’t you I guess that makes you xbox user number 2 to tell me about this lol. Does the Xbox series x/s have some kind of display/Video setting that let’s you change the color space?

A quick Google search shows me this? I haven’t played on xbox so I don’t know how the video settings look. Or maybe the latest RetroArch release has some new video setting that needs to be tweaked that could possibly fix it?

Nice. That’s exactly what the S-Video presets were made for.

You’re right. Even in the raw image the the “blues” slightly differ from each other.

I doubt Capcom were trying to keep an exact 1 for 1 consistency in colors with a Mega Man sprite from 1988 to a Mega Man sprite from 1998.

In Mesen I use the Original Hardware pallete, it’s the only pallete I’ll ever use and what I suggest everyone else to use if using my presets. My presets were pretty much tailored with that pallete.

On another note I’m thinking if I should dial in a little more overall brightness, was thinking of adding a little more “gamma correct”. I have it set to 1.50 was thinking of raising that up to 1.60 or somewhere around there. Maybe you guys can try it out yourselves and see if that’s a good idea.

ynnad4 · 4 September 2024 21:55

Hey there again, buddy.

I’ve got another cam with a bit better recording so you can see a 35 years old NES RF recording on Kirby.

4 videos kirby adventure nes 35yo videos

Not sure if the cable is too old but this has always been an issue for me with another cable as well. It always brings this type of static or interference or “Noise”. I dont know how people really call it. But this RF connection combines all the effects from Composite video + crazy static all over the screen + Rainbow lines moving very fast around it as well.

At least with this quick CRT guest advanced NTSC preset @guest.r I can get somewhat the result on Screen: 1920x1080 flat screen HD.

Certain values are still needed to be set on Core (this case was Mesen) for Color palette + overscans.

Maybe can get something done about the rainbow lines moving very quickily but need to test a bit more:

The static being shown up in here its not 100% accurate, but I think its better than nothing. Like stated before, RF connection is a whole next level in getting artifacts on screen. It’s by far way worse to look at rather than just getting Dithering or Rainbow banding for Composite video… I mean, if this could ever be achieved with RF presets on RetroArch, it would be the pinacle of accuracy… Yet, its still unfortunate that there’re so few RF presets around, considering that this connection was the one by DEFAULT that came back then with 90s consoles.

#reference "shaders_slang/crt/crt-guest-advanced-ntsc.slangp"
cust_artifacting = "2.000000"
cust_fringing = "0.000000"
ntsc_phase = "3.000000"
ntsc_sat = "0.900000"
ntsc_rainbow1 = "1.000000"
ntsc_cscale = "3.350001"
addnoised = "0.760000"
noiseresd = "5.000000"
noisetype = "1.000000"

The image… would describe it as permanently being on vibration. I could not find any other feature around aside of the so called " Noise ", but this is next level of poor quality, beyond the Dithering that already comes from Composite video. I dont know this type of vibration on screen its what causes to showcase HORIZONTAL rainbow lines the whole time. Its wonderful.

ynnad4 · 5 September 2024 17:10

Just replicated to an extent the effect with very fast horizontal rainbow lines with this “new?” NTSC preset that I dont know who did. But it allows through the options to set horizontal rainbow lines with fast speed. It’s a preset called as: patchy-genplusgx

Still, it doesn’t have NOISE available so can’t get close enough to the RF effect. In case you may be interested on this effect @guest.r - Indeed, the rainbow effect is different on NES. But it behaves quite differently with these artifacts on RF.

The static or Noise i get on screen, its more likely about grey-black lines next to each other, instead of the usual “squares” i can get with Noise that’s being avaiable on CRT guest NTSC preset… or some other shaders as well.

one more video: 2015_0318_214917_174.MP4

same overscan + color palette from above

shaders = "8"
feedback_pass = "0"
shader0 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/patchy-ntsc-pass1.slang"
filter_linear0 = "false"
wrap_mode0 = "clamp_to_border"
frame_count_mod0 = "1000"
mipmap_input0 = "false"
alias0 = ""
float_framebuffer0 = "true"
srgb_framebuffer0 = "false"
scale_type_x0 = "source"
scale_x0 = "8.000000"
scale_type_y0 = "source"
scale_y0 = "1.000000"
shader1 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/patchy-ntsc-pass2.slang"
filter_linear1 = "false"
wrap_mode1 = "clamp_to_border"
frame_count_mod1 = "1000"
mipmap_input1 = "false"
alias1 = ""
float_framebuffer1 = "true"
srgb_framebuffer1 = "false"
scale_type_x1 = "source"
scale_x1 = "1.000000"
scale_type_y1 = "source"
scale_y1 = "1.000000"
shader2 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/patchy-ntsc-pass3.slang"
filter_linear2 = "false"
wrap_mode2 = "clamp_to_border"
frame_count_mod2 = "1000"
mipmap_input2 = "false"
alias2 = ""
float_framebuffer2 = "true"
srgb_framebuffer2 = "false"
scale_type_x2 = "source"
scale_x2 = "1.000000"
scale_type_y2 = "source"
scale_y2 = "1.000000"
shader3 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/patchy-ntsc-pass4.slang"
filter_linear3 = "false"
wrap_mode3 = "clamp_to_border"
frame_count_mod3 = "1000"
mipmap_input3 = "false"
alias3 = ""
float_framebuffer3 = "true"
srgb_framebuffer3 = "false"
scale_type_x3 = "source"
scale_x3 = "1.000000"
scale_type_y3 = "source"
scale_y3 = "1.000000"
shader4 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/patchy-ntsc-pass5.slang"
filter_linear4 = "false"
wrap_mode4 = "clamp_to_border"
frame_count_mod4 = "1000"
mipmap_input4 = "false"
alias4 = ""
float_framebuffer4 = "true"
srgb_framebuffer4 = "false"
scale_type_x4 = "source"
scale_x4 = "1.000000"
scale_type_y4 = "source"
scale_y4 = "1.000000"
shader5 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/trilinearLUT-switchable.slang"
filter_linear5 = "false"
wrap_mode5 = "clamp_to_border"
frame_count_mod5 = "1000"
mipmap_input5 = "false"
alias5 = ""
float_framebuffer5 = "true"
srgb_framebuffer5 = "false"
scale_type_x5 = "source"
scale_x5 = "1.000000"
scale_type_y5 = "source"
scale_y5 = "1.000000"
shader6 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/linear-to-srgb.slang"
filter_linear6 = "false"
wrap_mode6 = "clamp_to_border"
frame_count_mod6 = "1000"
mipmap_input6 = "false"
alias6 = ""
float_framebuffer6 = "true"
srgb_framebuffer6 = "false"
scale_type_x6 = "source"
scale_x6 = "1.000000"
scale_type_y6 = "source"
scale_y6 = "1.000000"
shader7 = "shaders_slang/crt/shaders/crt-lottes-fast.slang"
wrap_mode7 = "clamp_to_border"
mipmap_input7 = "false"
alias7 = ""
float_framebuffer7 = "false"
srgb_framebuffer7 = "false"
pn_genesis_jailbar_enable = "1.000000"
pn_genesis_jailbar_offset = "0.312500"
pn_scanline_dur = "47.699997"
pn_color_amplitude = "0.400000"
pn_color_init_offset = "0.700000"
pn_color_line_offset = "0.160000"
pn_color_screen_offset = "0.180000"
pn_modulator_luma_filter_type = "2.000000"
pn_modulator_luma_res = "220.000000"
pn_rgb_smear_enable = "1.000000"
pn_rgb_smear_rate = "1.150000"
MASK = "0.000000"
MASK_INTENSITY = "0.000000"
SCANLINE_THINNESS = "0.000000"
TRINITRON_CURVE = "1.000000"
textures = "PhosphorSamplerLUT1;PhosphorSamplerLUT2;PhosphorSamplerLUT3;PhosphorSamplerLUT4;PhosphorSamplerLUT5;PhosphorSamplerLUT6"
PhosphorSamplerLUT1 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/P22_80s_D65.png"
PhosphorSamplerLUT1_linear = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT1_wrap_mode = "clamp_to_border"
PhosphorSamplerLUT1_mipmap = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT2 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/P22_90s_D65.png"
PhosphorSamplerLUT2_linear = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT2_wrap_mode = "clamp_to_border"
PhosphorSamplerLUT2_mipmap = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT3 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/P22_J_D65.png"
PhosphorSamplerLUT3_linear = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT3_wrap_mode = "clamp_to_border"
PhosphorSamplerLUT3_mipmap = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT4 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/TrinitronP22_D65.png"
PhosphorSamplerLUT4_linear = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT4_wrap_mode = "clamp_to_border"
PhosphorSamplerLUT4_mipmap = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT5 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/P22_J_D93.png"
PhosphorSamplerLUT5_linear = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT5_wrap_mode = "clamp_to_border"
PhosphorSamplerLUT5_mipmap = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT6 = "shaders_slang/ntsc/shaders/patchy-ntsc/TrinitronP22_D93.png"
PhosphorSamplerLUT6_linear = "false"
PhosphorSamplerLUT6_wrap_mode = "clamp_to_border"
PhosphorSamplerLUT6_mipmap = "false"

another link with 5 kirby RF videos: https://disk.yandex.ru/d/9XiNPOqXXRhYSg

sonkun · 5 September 2024 12:23

Can you post these videos to a different site? They’re asking me to sign up just to watch some videos and I’m not doing that.

Yeah I came across that new shader the other day myself, it looks interesting.

Just for reference when I made my rf presets I took inspiration from this video:

Although my presets appear even sharper than that but you get the point.

Tokumeino · 5 September 2024 12:26

Hi, I’m new to the forum and I’m trying to understand these CRT shader things. Quite a rabbithole

On a 960p screen (handheld), will this shader work as well as the 1080p screenshots here ? Or event better since 960p is perfect x4 240p ?

sonkun · 5 September 2024 12:34

Most likely won’t look exactly the same since 960p is not as detailed as 1080p but they should work.

JosepMC · 5 September 2024 15:31

That YCC setting does nothing and also is meaningless on my TV as only supports 8-bit color. And as guest.r himself said, it also happens on PC if you set the driver to D3D11.

I just went back to your March 2024 presets with crt-guest-advanced-2024-02-29-release1 on Xbox, and noticed that Diplay Color Space was also set to -1/709 back then without displaying this issue. Could it be some sort of regression along the way since then?

Yup, though I think I’ll stick with shadow mask instead of aperture grille. I’m digging the more softer/less sharp image quality.

Tokumeino · 5 September 2024 15:53

Thanks for answering. I’ve looked at many screenshots here and I am really very impressed about what you managed to without integer scaling !!!

About my 960p thing, I’m mostly afraid of issues with the mask not scaling properly. Does it make sense or will the mask just be fine ?

ynnad4 · 5 September 2024 17:11

i’ve edited the post, does this new one work ?

5 kirby videos on real NES RF

sonkun · 5 September 2024 22:47

The only thing I can think of that I at least changed, and this only goes strictly for the composite and rf presets is that I merged the ntsc adaptive shader from the ntsc shader folder with guest.r’s hd shader, not sure if that happens with just those presets or all of them. Other than that I’m not sure what happened myself between my old pack release to now.

Gotta say that Sonic shot looks sexy lol. I also been using Shadow Mask a lot more lately myself for the same reason especially on those 8-16 bit systems which I used for pretty much all those pics above. I gotta try Shadow Mask out on some PS1/Saturn era games.

You’re welcome and yes we don’t believe in interger scaling around these neck of the woods, not cropping anything for anything lol.

Try it out and see, post a screenshot while you’re at it so I can see too.

Man that is some dirty looking RF there especially the two videos on the right, it looks like Kirby is walking through a static image lol. That’s the kind of RF preset you want to reproduce??

ynnad4 · 5 September 2024 19:40

I dont know if other people get this type of looking through RF but I’ve got this forever on the NES at least.

But this is what I referred to getting a terrible video signal, besides the already existing dithering & rainbow banding, besides on NES is different.

Yeah, this is the type of looking I was referring to. But there’re barely any presets around which I dont know why, considering this is the way by DEFAULT most of people would have experienced, early on 90s.

sonkun · 5 September 2024 20:16

I don’t know man that that RF signal is reeeeeally excessive, especially those last two videos lol. I wonder if anyone else in here experienced RF that looked like that cause I don’t remember it looking THAT bad. In any case once guest.r releases his next update I’m coming straight for you and we’re gonna experiment on some RF looks.